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I am aware that, on paper and in theory, this modus operandi is already in place, but it seems evident to me that (as you yourself confirm with your experience) it isn’t working properly and a lot, perhaps too much, still manages to slip through and get indexed/published.

The issue of an understaffed team seems so obvious to me that there is no need to reiterate it further. Given the massive amount of content currently available and continuously being added, expanding the staff to the extent required for the necessary manual checks isn’t economically viable. Therefore, the best approach would be to put greater friction and automated entry barriers in place.

This would then allow for a prompt response, which is critically needed in these circumstances, to reports such as the one I brought up regarding child pornography content. Such content should be removed immediately, the associated account permanently banned, and, if appropriate, reported to the relevant authorities as well.

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> child pornography content

You keep making this claim as part of your argument but I have no evidence of knowledge of this page, can you please share more information about this? If you were aware of this did you report it as well?

As I mentioned at the beginning, I read about the issue in a thread opened by another user while I was browsing the forum and reading various discussions. I didn’t save the link because I didn’t think I’d be discussing it with you, and also because the user mentioned that they had reported the issue to support several times without success. Anyway, I’ll take my time to check my browser history to try to find it and post it here.

Alright, the link to the discussion is this https://itch.io/t/6852885/hidden-contents-in-game-file-that-violate-tos-request-number-393153

I should mention beforehand that I have not personally downloaded or executed the file in question because I do not want that kind of garbage on my PC, nor do I even want to open its page. However, the issue still seems to be open, at least according to the original poster.

When I spoke about a dedicated channel, this is exactly what I meant. Support should be able to respond and intervene promptly in situations like this.

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Thanks for sharing the link. I see that it's an anime game. We get a wide range of reports for explicit anime content. There's definitely a lot of questionable material there, but CSAM content is a very specific case that is handled with extreme priority and I would not consider this example that. In this example, I can see that the image that the person was trying to report is still freely accessible directly on Steam, so Steam appears to not have taken any moderation stance on it either. When someone is offended by a piece of content, they often come up with the most extreme language possible to describe it. That's part of the struggle of processing user reports for fictional or drawn content. As a reminder, any imagery of real humans in sexual situations is explicitly prohibited and will result in an instant ban by our team.

Regardless, we'll review these pages to see if they're in violation of our terms of service.

Thanks for sharing the link.

And thank you for considering it. It was the least I could do after raising the issue, I’m not the type to throw a stone and hide my hand. If I make a claim, it’s because I know I can back it up with facts.

I see that it’s an anime game. We get a wide range of reports for explicit anime content. There’s definitely a lot of questionable material there, but CSAM content is a very specific case that is handled with extreme priority and I would not consider this example that. In this example, I can see that the image that the person was trying to report is still freely accessible directly on Steam, so Steam appears to not have taken any moderation stance on it either. When someone is offended by a piece of content, they often come up with the most extreme language possible to describe it. That’s part of the struggle of processing user reports for fictional or drawn content. As a reminder, any imagery of real humans in sexual situations is explicitly prohibited and will result in an instant ban by our team.

Allow me to be frank and straightforward without beating around the bush. I hope you will take this as constructive feedback rather than empty criticism for its own sake, as my intention is to make a positive contribution to the platform. Having experience with what it takes to run a sizable organization, I certainly understand your position and the objective difficulty of evaluating fictional or drawn content in certain artistic styles.

As I mentioned, I have no intention of personally verifying the content in question because I deeply abhor and detest these themes. I refuse to view them even for the purpose of condemning or reporting them, unless I encounter them accidentally, in which case I definitely would.

However, regardless of whether the specific report turned out to be a false alarm or if the user described it in extreme terms, the main point remains: support should handle these kinds of reports with absolute priority and address the merits of the case as quickly as possible, even if only to clarify the stance and reassure the community. These issues are far too serious and sensitive to be left hanging or open to interpretation for extended periods.

Furthermore, a thread involving allegations of this severity should see a direct intervention and official response from an admin or staff member, rather than relying solely on a community moderator, who is certainly not at fault here, stating they can do no more than forward the report and that staff usually does not offer direct explanations. Clear and timely communication from staff is essential to protect the reputation of the platform and maintain user trust.

Again, I apologize for my bluntness, but this is precisely the opposite of what should happen, and I do not believe this is an unreasonable request, quite the contrary. Once again, I hope these words are received in the spirit they were intended, rather than as criticism for its own sake.

Regardless, we’ll review these pages to see if they’re in violation of our terms of service.

Thank you for taking the time to review the pages and for listening to my perspective. I really appreciate it.

I am aware that, on paper and in theory, this modus operandi is already in place

You talk inconsequential, like an ai. You make a suggestion to implement A and B and now claim, that you are aware that A and B are already in place. This makes no sense.

The proper suggestion is to improve A and B. What this change in the October update will hopefully have as a consequence.

As for your cp allegations for the sake of shock value in argument, I think I know what you talk about. And if you would have looked closer, instead of just citing headlines to make your argument look important, you would know that 1) the project was reported 2) the request already was forwarded to admins 3) the project is in quarantine, which brings me to 4) professionals already are handling the case. 

I believe my posts are clear. If you enjoy creating pointless controversy and using sophistry just to be right, which I have already noticed you like to do, that is a different story. I know a contrarian when I see one online. Nothing personal, but I do not particularly appreciate this kind of attitude.

You talk about shock value and bring up AI to implicitly accuse me of replying through a LLM. Now that is a subtle way to discredit the person you are talking to.

Regarding the issue I read about, it was definitely not resolved, as the thread remained open and unsolved. Therefore, it is likely a completely different case altogether, as I assume it is not the only one that has ever come up. Anyway, as I mentioned above, I am currently looking for the thread and will post it here if I find it.

Either way, I do not quite understand your stance. You yourself are aware that malware is rampant, you have written so repeatedly across multiple threads, and that stricter controls are needed. Yet, the moment I supported your own claim, you started arguing against me. Go figure.

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You do it again. You argue inconsistently with not insights. Sorry for accusing you of using an ai, but that is how it looks.

it was definitely not resolved
as the thread remained open and unsolved

This is not a tech support forum. That is the kind of thing I talk about. You have no insight. You talk like an AI that knows something about support forums, but not like a person that has been on Itch for many years.

The only resolving thing that was done and that will be done within forum posts on Itch, is forwarding of the ticket number to admins - which was already done long ago.  Threads do not get resolved. Your argument's premise relies on threads getting resolved and arguing from the view point that since that thread was not resolved, Itch staff would not act on reports.

the moment I supported your own claim, you started arguing against me

That is not quite what I was repling to, nor what I answered. You made the suggestion that Itch should implement and create a proactive and reactive response.

To which I replied that those are already in place. There is no arguing "against you" in that reply.

But when you backpaddled out of this, by claiming you already were aware of that, and when you brought up again that thread you saw, as a fact that Itch does nothing, only then I argued "against you".

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pointless controversy and using sophistry just to be right

Oh, the irony, oh the drama. Always interesting how some people accuse others of the very things they do. I had to look up sophistry. It means using fake arguments. What did I do? Point out incsonsistencies and false premises in the arguments (like suggesting to implement something that is already done and later claiming it was meant to be a suggestion to improve things, or using a bad and very controversial subject  of an allegegly unresolved thing as an example for urgency, while it already was resolved). That is the opposite of sophistry - it is pointing out sophistry.

Too many people cannot argue. They go emotional and if someone points out that their "argument" is wrong, they get personally offended. I am offended, therefore I am right and I will cancel anyone that disagrees. /rant

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This is not a tech support forum. That is the kind of thing I talk about. You have no insight. You talk like an AI that knows something about support forums, but not like a person that has been on Itch for many years.

The only resolving thing that was done and that will be done within forum posts on Itch, is forwarding of the ticket number to admins - which was already done long ago. Threads do not get resolved. Your argument’s premise relies on threads getting resolved and arguing from the view point that since that thread was not resolved, Itch staff would not act on reports.

I already replied to Leafo about this point yesterday. My answer remains the same for you, so I won’t repeat it again. If you’re okay with it and want to finally understand the point, great; if not, that’s fine too.

That is not quite what I was repling to, nor what I answered. You made the suggestion that Itch should implement and create a proactive and reactive response.

To which I replied that those are already in place. There is no arguing “against you” in that reply.

But when you backpaddled out of this, by claiming you already were aware of that, and when you brought up again that thread you saw, as a fact that Itch does nothing, only then I argued “against you”.

As I said, it doesn’t matter much whether systems like that are currently in place or not; what matters is that they clearly aren’t working as they should, including the biblical wait times to get a response from support. So fine, they exist, but they don’t work, meaning they should be properly implemented so it doesn’t look like the opposite. Is that clear enough now, or are you going to split hairs this time too? I guess you will, since that seems to be your modus operandi.

This is not a tech support forum. That is the kind of thing I talk about. You have no insight. You talk like an AI that knows something about support forums, but not like a person that has been on Itch for many years.

I’ve been a member for several years, but I had never really participated. I started getting active a couple of weeks ago when I published my project. That’s when I started becoming aware of how things actually stand.

P.S. Since I’m honestly sick of interacting with you, given how pointless these arguments are and your constant veiled accusations that I’m using AI to reply, I’ve blocked you, hoping the option applies to the forum as well so I won’t have to read your posts anymore. In case it doesn’t, let me say in advance that I’ll leave you with the last word (which I assume you’ll want to have) and I won’t reply to you again in the future (and I’d appreciate it, though I know I can’t enforce it, if you’d extend me the same courtesy). Thanks, and all the best.